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Honda J-Series motor and Piston Ring Gap for Higher HP Motors (Turbo/SuperCharged/Nitrous)

September 25th, 2019 Posted by Honda J Series Engine, Honda J series Motor, Honda J-Series engine, Honda J-Series Performance Parts, Honda J30 performance, Honda J32 Performance, Honda J35 Perfromance, Honda J37 Performance, Honda Jseries Intake Manifold spacers, J series Performance parts, J30, J32, J35, J37, Super Charged J-Series, Turbo J Series 0 thoughts on “Honda J-Series motor and Piston Ring Gap for Higher HP Motors (Turbo/SuperCharged/Nitrous)”

Well it’s known that our J-Series motors come with tight piston ring gaps from the factory. Usually this will be one of the first limitation you reach once you start edging up towards 600-700whp (along with a couple others, depending what motor you go with). As the motor heats up so does the piston and the piston rings. As that happens the Piston rings goes under thermal expansion which ultimately leads to the two ends butting together (as some call “pinching”), which then has nowhere to go and pushes up into the piston ring land (where the piston rings sit..or “grove”) and ultimately breaks the stock cast piston. There have been some (actually only one instance) we have “heard of” with someone running stock pistons and they “alleged” stock ring gap past 800whp…and they claim to 1400whp!! LMAO..Never heard or seen of anyone else on stock pistons past 700-800whp. The only way we could see this happening is if they ran a Meth. based fuel, which has a super cooling effect when injected, thus the pistons not heating up as much and the rings not pinching. Not saying it can’t be done, but personally I wouldn’t put my faith in stock cast pistons much past 700whp for my expensive forged bottom J-Motor, why cheap out and risk it?.

With some research you will see there is case, after case, after case of stock pistons breaking due to piston ring pinching/butting…..and our J32 experienced the same effects around 600whp on stock piston ring gaps (Safe AFR, Safe timing etc). This even more holds true for Boosted applications, as when you compress air it heats up, only compounding the issue. In our situation to make things worse is we choose to run motors with higher compression, with our Turbo motor running 11.5:1, which only adds to additional cylinder temps with the extra compression of that forced induction air. There’s many ways to set up a motor and we prefer the higher side of compression, in doing so the optimal route would have been to gap those piston rings, but that would negate the ultimate reason why we were running a COMPLETELY STOCK J32a3, to find the limits. And if you don’t already know, J32a3’s already running 11:1 comp so it wasn’t a stretch for someone to boost at our CR. However, that extra CR leading to higher cylinder temps, thus heating the piston rings more then say a 10:1 motor, could have lead our motor to failure faster then a lower CR motor….non the less all J motor completely stock will start finding limitation at 6-700whp.

You’ll see from the sample picture in this thread that the piston did not suffer from any type of detonation and the only damage was strictly located in the ring land area, exactly where you can see the piston rings are bent (from butting) and pushed up into the ring land, thus cracking them and causing piston failure…which is only caused by piston ring gap (not the tune, not a bad motor, but stock piston ring gap at 600whp). This motor was salvaged, a new piston installed, left the block completely stock bottom end and all piston ring gaps were gaped appropriately. This motor currently has 8k HARD MILES on it, with MANY MANY WOT pulls (easily 80+ multiple gear pulls and races) while also being a daily driver. This goes to show the J-Series resiliency and dependability, even around 560-600whp (which we feel is the safe limit for stock internals on these motor AFTER ring gap is fixed. With stock ring gap 500whp is what we would run max).

For that reason, if if swapping in a stock motor, it’s best to pull the pistons and gap them before install. This will insure a safe running boosted/nitrous J-series to around 600whp.

The general rule of thumb is this….

– Stock to 350-400whp = Safe to leave them alone

– 450whp-700whp =
Top Ring = Bore Diameter (Inches) X .007″
Second Ring = Bore Dia. (Inches) X .008

750WHP-1000whp (General Rule, Seek guidance from engine builder)
Top Ring = Bore Diameter X .008-.009
Second Ring = Bore Diameter X .009-.010

Throttle Body and Intake Manifold Spacers….ANY GOOD??

July 8th, 2019 Posted by Honda J Series Engine, Honda J series Motor, Honda J Series Throttle Body Spacers, Honda J-Series 3.7 Intake, Honda J-Series engine, Honda J-Series Performance Parts, Honda J30 performance, Honda J32 Performance, Honda J35 Perfromance, Honda J37 Performance, Honda Jseries 3.7 ZDX Throttle Body, Honda Jseries Intake Manifold spacers, J series Performance parts, J30, J32, J35, J37, Super Charged J-Series, Turbo J Series 0 thoughts on “Throttle Body and Intake Manifold Spacers….ANY GOOD??”

 The best approach in our opinion to making POWER in any motor is to make sure the motor has the best chance to breath and take in all the air it can…. More air + More Fuel = MORE POWER…it’s that simple. 

With that strategy in mind, we look at the most affordable and “Best Bang for buck” options, while also understanding if this question is being asked, usually the customer is fresh or new to the car seen or modding (And we welcome you!! 😉 

So to get started, we practice what we preach, as all of our parts listed on our online store ( http://halferlandperformance-com.3dcartstores.com/ ) focus directly on this model. The first place to look will be Intake Manifold, and here is where Spacers come into play.  A lot of guys get fooled into think Spacers (Manifold and Throttle body) will make power…THAT’S WRONG! Spacer do effect the motor, but not in the way most think. Spacers, simply put, are just extensions of the intake plenums/runners…the longer the runner the more Torque a motor makes down low, the shorter the runner/plenum usually means the motor will have more top end. So really in the end spacers are only simply shifting or moving the power band around, with it usually gaining about 4-5 torque down low in the 2500-4500rpm range…but when power is added down low, it takes that power from somewhere else, and that “somewhere else” is usually always your TOP END POWER. So essentially all it’s doing is moving the power from your top end,  down lower in the power band, NOT gaining any power and actually LOSING Power up top!! This also holds true with TB spacers, but that shift in power is EVEN LESS then IM spacers, making TB spacer completely worthless….ultimate Snake Oil!!! 

Further more, the Spacers you see some companies offer are cut in half (half the size) as the OEM full size spacer would require your hood to be spaced up or the hood wouldn’t close. To get past this, those companies cut the spacers in half, essentially make that part only half effective as it should be. So in the end, they get two parts to sell for the price of (1) and you get half the gains……which is next to nothing. Full size spacers will move the power band and you’ll see 4-5tq gains down low (again losing power up top),  Now cut that in half and that nets you a whopping 1-2.5 tq gains!!!)  . For the cost, time, effort, etc….it’s simply not worth the effort or your money. Again, all of our parts through our store focus on parts that have been PROVEN to make a difference and GAIN power, not simply shift it around (PnP IM 8-15whp Gains, PnP Stage 3 Venturi TB 5-12whp gains, PnP Runners 5-15whp Gains).

In the end, it’s always our customers vehicles and their decisions as to what they spend their money on. If we had a say in there build, you will NEVER find any spacers on our cars, whether TB or Manifold spacers. This may seem as a harsh or very direct way to address this topic, but in the end we have seen far too many of our customer fall for these advertising tricks and “Snake oil” products. Stick to what has been proven to make power, not what seems to be the easy way out…..and ultimately, many of our proven parts are not too much more in cost the those Snake oil Spacers. 😉

Hope is was a helpful write up and you gained so info from it…. Signing out.

HalferLand Performance Products * The J-Series Freaks *

Owner/Operator P.A. Brickman

 

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